Where is it going?

xardoz · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject:

The crew I hang with visits Programmers corner, VbExplorer and VBCity.

Shaldares · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

One thing I just noticed....

Eric · Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject:

The newsletters were stopped due to lack of content.

So you can see... the whole "lack of regular content" has been going on for quite awhile.

I don't know if anyone can pull a list of all content added since October 2004... but it would be interesting to see...

Kroc · Grasshopper Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2 Location: UK

Hrqls? Goodness, that name brings back memories.
The site could do with an overhaul and refocusing.
There's one thing I need from a coders site, and that's quick access to concise, meaningful examples. PC's examples are good, but the page design is terrible. A lightweight CMS/Wiki would do well, with tagging

RSS > Newsletter. Get with the times. It's web2.0 already

I'd like to add I've got a crap load of fully commented VB6 code to contribute and could probably write a number of articles. See hxxp://code.google.cooom/p/pacmar (edit as appropriate, your antispam is very tough) and either check out the code with SVN, or message me for a copy.

Eric · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

So, anyone heard anything from Adam yet about turning over the site?

I think Kroc has a good idea. Time to move up to the "Web 2.0" bandwagon. Get a good CMS (wordpress, textpattern, DotNetNuke, etc) and work from there. Any good CMS supports RSS feeds.

I don't necessarily agree that RSS > Newsletter. They each have their own purpose. But for this site, RSS is definitely needed, and a newsletter isn't right now.

theraje · Cap'n Arr! Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 262

Kroc · Grasshopper Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2 Location: UK

bdi · Nobody Joined: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1646 Location: Chicago

I don't get it guys...

xardoz · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:25 am Post subject:

I am sure that no one meant any malice toward Adam.
People just get caught up in the moment. Confused

It is sad to see a board going quite, it is like the local bar for us programmers.
And as programmers, we want to help fix/make better things we are involved in...

I apologize if any of my statements offended Adam in any way.

PS.. and you too BDI Razz

Kroc · Grasshopper Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2 Location: UK

Web2 is all about doing the exact same thing you've always been doing, just on the web, with hype, buzzwords and big gaudy logos. GMail? Outlook Exchange 0nline ~ 1999. It's all been done before, now just with the right gloss / marketing.

RefactorMyCode have managed to condense something as complex and nightmarish as a heavy forum full the brim with buttons, widgets, modes and topics into a simple list of to-the-point question and answers.

If Programmer's corner wants to do something "new", it should adopt the refactormycode approach, but instead be offering concise programming examples (such as it already is), with comments from viewers.

The "forum" would be the same, but just a separate tag "questions" that allowed someone to post a question, and get answers in a similar lightweight way.

The examples can then use a folskonomy system for categories / languages &c.

Real innovation, that affects a lot of people, is about doing something that already exists, better. Apple's Time Machine is an example of how backup should have been from the very beginning. Only 4% of people ever back up, proof that the old system sucks, bad.

If Adam's offended, he should close the thread and be done with it. If he's interested in suggestions for improvement, then he needs to be here to direct things from the fanciful, toward the possible. And if he wants no part of this, then the discussion should move on to setting up a new site.

theraje · Cap'n Arr! Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 262

I've been holding off posting to this thread for days... but I guess there's not much point in it.

aschenta · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:59 am Post subject:

I'm offended by the fact that all of you are blaming me. P-C is a collaborative effort and was failing before it was handed to me. Early on when I took over I attempted to do things but got no response from any you. Lack of motivation on all of your ends resulted in lack of motivation on my end.

The biggest offense is that someone wanted to take over the site and went to all of you instead of directly asking me. To have members who have long abandoned P-C come back and start ranting about how it is all my fault is pathetic. I'd like to see all of you start a new site because I know it would fail. No one attempted to put any effort into P-C for the past 3 years not just me.

To say I never cared about P-C is rather ridiculous. I wrote the damn thing! I even started a simple programming contest that received NO submissions. The newsletter failed because Eric didn't have the time to do it. Of course that didn't matter as there wasn't any content to have a need for a newsletter.

P-C for me has always been about learning. I first started doing the development to learn PHP. Since then my desire to program in PHP has dropped to zero. I am in the process of converting the site to ASP.NET 3.5 with VB9 (Visual Studio 2008) and SQL Server 2005. Is there any interest in helping that along?

xardoz · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject:

I dont know much about ASP.NET 3.5 with VB9 (Visual Studio 2008) and SQL Server 2005, but I would love to help where I can.

theraje · Cap'n Arr! Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 262

Shaldares · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject:

Yes, we're all at fault. There's no debating that. I abandoned PC multiple times, whether it was my fault or not. I'm not denying that, but I never did say it was simply Adam's fault, and I don't think until near the end of this thread any of us really did. However, it doesn't matter who's at fault because we all are. What matters is that we have enough people here who want to do something about it now, so let's stop bitching about who's fault it is, and we need to figure out some way to do something about it. I wish I could offer more of a suggestion than that, but as I've stated in the past, my programming experience is limited. One thing that does remain though, is that Adam, while everything may not be directly your fault, if the site is going to go anywhere, we need a way to make changes to it, as well as someone who is going to be active enough to do it. Are you going to try to implement our suggestions or provide outlets so that we can implement our suggestions, because right now I'm pretty sure a lot of us are feeling at a dead end.

theraje · Cap'n Arr! Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 262

Hrqls · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:21 am Post subject:

i always blamed myself (partially) for the quietness of PC

i dont think Adam has anything to do with it .. in fact he is the most active user on here (or was at certain times) Smile

what PC does need most is people who ask their questions on here .. once there are questions the regulars will come back to answer them (and have fun puzzling some things out Smile

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so what should be done is anything which would draw question-askers to PC

personally i am a bit stuck in VB6 .. i am doing some things in C# ... but i hardly have time to investigate C# as i did with VB6 .. also because i dont have a board like VBE which provided me with simple examples and questions from other newbie explorers which i could answer or learn from while puzzling them out

i have no answers though .. so you can blame me Smile

i have little time lately .. so you can blame the world for disturbing me Wink

*hug* to you all ... and i hope someone with more (commercial?) knowledge than me will have some ideas on how to draw (the right) traffic

WannaBe · Wiggles Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 714 Location: CA

Sorry for my quietness, I went on vacation, was sick after words, and just staring into black space. So I got a lot of catching up to do.

Bdi noted that Adam was offended due to the fact I did not first go by him. And as went on about how people were voting, not a democracy.

Adam, I'm sorry that I didn't come to you first but I thought things out, different routes and what I thought would best get a response from you. Directly contacting you through e-mail or instant message would have clearly shown what I was asking from you, but then again I was only one person. I rather have others show their opinions as well, to maybe show even a blind's eye that things need to happen.

I also know this is no "democracy", why I didn't create a poll. What I think of this is protesting, people can protest on the internet can't they?

I understand making another site is a choice, though PC holds quite a bit of content, but it is also the name. People know PC, it holds rank on other sites that have it linked. Beside the fact starting a new site makes PC become competition which I don't know why, I just rather not do.

Not to shave, but you finally post Adam, and the only reason is someone got pissed. Yes the blame game, it is easy to start and never really finishes, while PC may not have been in any good condition when it was handed down, I have not seen much of any actions taken. The "Advisory Committee" forum was started, showed a lot of things that could be done. I even worked on a little bit of code. nothing happened, we could not do anything. Extending features required code access. Hard to work extending a back-end if you don't know what back-end even looks like.

If you read my post, and a few more down that taking over the site was not the first option, but I will say It was my rather preferred choice.

As you might know I don't know ASP.NET, but it is all about a learning experience right? So, I can always try. Give me a simple task, I'll see what I can do. Thats my offerings.